197 thoughts on “US Census 2010 Win”

  1. It’s not just funny, it’s quite logical. Why so much emphasis on race differentiation? They say “divide and win”, and today’s system clearly wins by dividing citizens through their race and opinion.

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      1. there is no biological basis behind the idea of separate races. we do, however have very real social constructions of race with very real effects

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      2. I take issue with that statement. Nobody has found any conclusively categorical biological markers for race, but to jump from that to saying that it’s proven that there is no such thing as separate races is like saying that it’s been proven that there no such thing as colors. Like race, colors are social constructs that have a basis in _real_ physical attributes. Denying race is a rather sophomoric way to solve race issues.

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      3. Are you kidding me? Look at the bone structure of an African, that of a European, and that of an Asian, and tell me that they’re not different.

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    1. It’s not funny, but it’s not logical either. Demographics only tell you ideas people already believed. You can’t create a distinct culture and background just by giving it a name.

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      1. You might want to take a look at Rwanda. ‘Hutu’ and ‘Tutsi’ are two non-preexisting, outsider created subdivisions that were eventually the basis for a genocide. Just a thought.

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    2. Regardless of its (lack of) biological origins, studying race is useful for demographic reasons. Effective policy can’t be developed without knowing the *consequences* of race on marriage, children, poverty, etc.

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      1. isn’t the government forbidden to develop race-based policy? isn’t race-based policy just another word for officially sanctioned racism? the old south before the civil war had a race-based policy called slavery, where those of a certain race were managed quite differently than those who doing the managing. I think I have to reject race-based policies regardless of the reasoning, because it is all a slippery slope. To make okay to use race-based policies definitely makes it possible to create, use and justify racist policies.

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    3. Think of it this way. Let’s say that black folks are at a much higher risk of developing ABC cancer. The Census folks say, ‘Hmm, there are a lot of black folks in this area’. HHS and other organizations now receive the funding to do more preventative screenings, adverts recommending seeing your doctor regarding ABC cancer, etc..

      Or how about this: As an example, let’s say that hispanic citizens, statistically speaking, receive about 75% less job skills training than their asian, black, and caucasian peers. The census can provide the data about hispanic citizens, and help boost job training seminars and the like in those area.

      There are a ton of other examples. Putting ‘human’ or otherwise inaccurately filling out the census is pointless.

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      1. Or, let’s say a war breaks out with let’s say Japan. They can use that census data to round up all the Japanese-American’s in the area.

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      2. @Sleeplesson:

        Sure, we’ve done that in the past. But we’ve learned from our mistakes and moved on, right?

        …right?…

        Oops.

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      3. First of all, it’s not the federal government’s job to provide funding through HHS etc, that’s the job of the state and local governments. Seriously what happened to limited government?

        Regarding the job training seminars… an even better example of something the federal government shouldn’t be supplying. If you want to learn a trade, go out there and become an apprentice… or even do the weird thing of volunteering or using the billions of dollars set aside for grants to receive training.

        If anyone gives me the “but they don’t speak English very well” line, then they should learn to speak English! It may not be the “Official Language” of America, but it’s the primary language. If I go to France, guess what I expect they will be speaking French, if I’m going to Mexico, I expect they will be speaking Spanish. It’s asinine to go to another county and expect them to speak your native language whether they know it or not. Don’t go to a baseball game and bitch that they’re not playing soccer or rugby!

        Our ethnicity is American now, if you have a heritage that you’re proud of, that’s great! If you want your children to learn about it and speak your native language, that’s great too! However to move to a country and not know the language at all is just stupid. What language are all the road signs written in? English! What language are all the US bills, laws and ordinances written in? Well no one’s quite sure, but it resembles English a little bit.

        The point is this, if you’re moving to a country to settle in and live your life there, take your culture with you, but learn the culture of the place you’re moving to. Welcome to American you’re no longer an African-American, you’re an American, you may be black, but you’re an American. Same thing goes with Mexican-Americans, Japanese-Americans etc. you’re not “Something-American” you’re just American now. You have a great heritage and you may be darker skinned, have a different facial structure, etc. but you’re simply American.

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      4. Or a neigborhood can have a lot of blacks and they decide to have more police in that area and a KFC..or a neighborhood can have more hispanics and they can open an immigration office there…or a neighborhood can have a bigger number of Koreans and they can add a dog shelter…

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      5. FU? If they want all those things, why don’t they climb out of their cozy offices and look at the neighborhoods – they would have to be braindead if they can’t tell what a community needs by looking at it, and asking people in the community rather than have everybody fill out racist forms. The forms turn out to be a shortcut so they don’t have to leave their offices. It’s a bunch of decisions, diagnostics, and hoo-ha, so they don’t have to work very hard at it. It seems everything is that way these days. They call it divide and win, but it’s still divide and conquer.

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      6. If the they are interested in which skin color of people gets cancer of other genitic desease then why is white or caucasan the only skin colors allow on the cencus report, every other group get to list their historical, geographical orgins.

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      1. Ummm, Gabo, actually, money doesn’t matter because it holds zero actual value. This fact stems from the reality that there isn’t enough gold to replace it. Oh, and back up a ways; Brad, “black folks”? REALLY? Did you actually type that? Aside from that, hospitals usually keep record of medical conditions and the effect someone’s background may have on it. Good try people.

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      2. Gabo:

        I must have a large inheritance coming my way or perhaps a savings bond nobody told me about because I agree with angie: money is worth about as much as any other piece of paper. Personally I think I should be able to get a new car for a few stacks of copy paper.

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      3. @angie:
        “Ummm, Gabo, actually, money doesn’t matter because it holds zero actual value.”

        Awesome, I’ll just keep getting free stuff with my zero-value money. I just bought a burrito, and I gave them six worthless bucks.

        Ha! I wish I could see their face when they realize that money is zero-value!

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    4. I concur. As strange as it sounds, I have refused to identify my race since the first time I remember being asked (on a standardized test in elementary school).

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    5. Funny how everyone says you have some benefit if you’re white. Im poor and white but some how I have an advantage? Total crap. Just because a lot of white people are rich doesnt mean all white people are so blessed and giving a leg up to anyone based on race instead of economic circumstances is just plain wrong and discriminatory.

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      1. Scott, you’ve missed the point completely. You have always been told and have always been treated as though you are on equal playing field. Minorities have not. They’ve gone through centuries of oppression while the majority has either played a part or sat back and watched it happen.

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      2. Lauren, I am white caucasian and I have never been on an equal playing field. My friends and family who are in the minority stand on a more equal footing than I will ever have. Social Justice is another word for kick the white guy that busts his ass for everything. Social Justice takes it away from that guy and gives it to any lazy dirt bag who asks for it. Social Justice thrives on racism, in that those who like things given to them for nothing will keep on voting for those people who promise to keep giving them other peoples money. That is why the democrats think that black communities are democratic party voting blocs – isn’t it racism when they take your vote for granted simply because you are black? Isn’t it racism when they tell the black communities how to vote like they don’t have enough sense to figure out for themselves? Civil rights gave blacks some major voting rights, but the democratic party pretty much now controls 90 percent of that bloc. Sounds like many have given those voting rights back to the democrats, and they are going to let illegal immigrants vote too? hahaha – when that happens – we have all lost our rights – we are no better than criminals.
        The playing field is being played against you. They distract you with this white black issue in order to distract you – and that is why they want to know if your black or white – cuz if the community is 51% black or greater – they figure they already have the vote under control there. Once they can social justice an area, they control everything and there is no more justice – only slaves. Black slaves, white slaves, and hispanic slaves. Everybody becomes a slave.

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  2. Well by scientific standards, human or homosapien would be a species not a race. races are unique classifications within the species. for example dogs are all one species but they have different breeds or “races.”

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  3. This is true. There is only one race: Humanity. Most people think of, for example, African American as a race when it is actually an ethnicity. So what most would consider racism, should actually be called ethnicism.

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    1. Nope, racism affects Blacks of all nationalities in this country. Do you really think a racist would ask whether a Black person was AA before deciding to dislike them? It’s still racism.

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  4. You people… ^^^ it all boils down to Affirmative Action and Equality laws. When workplaces hire, they must meet certain percentages to ensure equal hiring practices. As insane as that sounds, that’s the way the system works. By knowing the statistics, people of all races can be treated fairly as far as the legal system can define it. To define it, it must be based on facts and figures. And again, that takes us to the United States census.

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      1. “forced to hire x number of people of a certain race regardless of their actual qualifications”

        Yeah, that shows a nuanced and educated understanding of affirmative action.

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      2. No, but if the census determines that an area is 40% [insert race] and the largest employer in that city only employs 5% of that race, it raises a presumption of discrimination. Of course, it can be rebutted, but you want to make sure companies aren’t discriminating.

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      3. @ Josey

        That’s just stupid. Say you’re in San Diego and you’re population is 40% Hispanic but the vast majority of them are under-educated (not because Mexicans are dumb, but because Mexico has a horrible education system). Are you insinuating that a financial firm or a computer programming company is “RACIST” if they’re only hiring people who are qualified, certified and have a degree in the field?

        I’m sick and tired of lame ass people trying to play the race card! I’m a white male who’s parents made 45k a year combined income, with a lot of past debts. I wasn’t eligible for any college grants or assistance because I didn’t make minority status and my parents gross income was too high… hell of an advantage right?!

        There was a wild fire crew in Oregon who sued because they were denied the ability to fight a wild fire in central Oregon. They were definitely qualified; they had some of the best firefighters in the state on that team. They were denied because they didn’t speak English. That sounds kind of harsh and racist if you’re a dumb ass, but the fact of the matter is this. If they can’t speak English, it puts everybody else’s life at risk. Fighting wild fires is dangerous, if a team is unable to contain a fire or it jumps the fire line, they have to radio back to HQ and notify the other teams to try and fall back and build containment, or perhaps to tell another team to get to safety because the fire is headed towards them. Not being able to communicate with your team, no matter how good they are can have lethal consequences. They won the lawsuit because of this whole ethnic super-sensitivity.

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      4. My family income was about 27k. We didn’t own a home or a car, had nothing in savings, no stocks, bonds, or any other family with money. We were living month to month. But I graduated with straight A’s, top 5% of my class, did very good on the SAT’s and got accepted into all the colleges I applied to.
        That’s the situation the grants are supposed to help with, people that would have NO way to go to school when they’re otherwise qualified. I saw plenty of people in school complaining that they couldn’t get grants for extra money but their family had money, houses, cars, etc… They just didn’t want to lower their lifestyle by selling their assets to be able to afford to send their kids to school. If your family has access to money (house, car, credit cards, 401k, etc…) than you won’t get any money. It’s made for REALLY poor people.

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    1. “When workplaces hire, they must meet certain percentages to ensure equal hiring practices. As insane as that sounds, that’s the way the system works.”

      Actually that’s not true at all. What’s more, if that WERE the law it would be unconstitutional under established precedent. Please stop speaking out of your ass, thank you.

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      1. When you inform someone they are speaking out of their ass it is your job as the evidently more intelligent person to either explain to them why they are ass talking or point them in the direction to have their ass talking rectified. Otherwise you just sound like an idiot.

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    1. Wouldn’t reverse discrimination technically be a person who generally discriminates against people in turn being fair to those same people, in turn “reversing the discrimination”?

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      1. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. As far as being fair, I believe that if discrimination is unfair, then so is reverse discrimination. Reverse discrimination is how the government and others legally discriminate against those they don’t like.

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  5. The Constitution requires a count of people. I will reply with the total household number. Name, phone number, race, etc, all of that is unconstitutional. It’s not their business.

    Then again I have never been sent a census form, so this may be moot. Maybe they will forget about me again.

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    1. I sent my name, my address, my age and my gender. I refused the racist classifications, and I refused the financial classifications. Strangely missing from the form that I would have answered is where I was born, as though they just don’t want to know where you are from, even tho they want to know whatever racist classification they can put you into. Look at what they have asked on previous censuses and ask yourself why this year is so much different than the decades that came before?

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  6. hey sarah, fuck the system. Why does it matter equal laws for businesses and shit, who cares if they have the equal statistic, its just more ways to monitor us in this game of life played by big corporations. Human is perfect for that question, were all one. were all one.

    one love.

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  7. hey I think they should get rid of all questions about race it does not matter i agree there is only one race HUMAN everything else is bullshit.

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    1. Oh, if only that were so. Ask anyone of a race other than “white” in the U.S., and they will say that race exists and they live with the effects every day. Ask the seven year-old little girl called the “N” word by a classmate. Ask the Jena Six. Ask all the thousands of black men lynched in the South. Ask those turned away from the polls on election day. We would like to live in a raceless society, but we are most definitely not there yet.

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      1. Yeah, racism still exists. I’ve worked very hard to become an attorney yet a client referred to me as “that black girl in the back.” I would have given him a break, but I know for a fact he knows my name.

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      2. I would ask all of those lynched black folks, but, you see, they’re dead. Racism may still exist but forced discrimination (yes, forced discrimination) is not the proper way to go about rectifying it.

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      3. Dude? Vilnius? do you get all your history from left-wing history books? I am a white dude, with a Hispanic ancestry but still considered white. My cousins are married to Hispanics blacks and swedes. I have a white niece, a black grandson and a white grandson. My brothers and sisters are native American. I am closely related to Muhammad Ali and Barack Obama, by blood, and Frederick Douglass by marriage.
        My point is that the black label given to those who are darker than I am is just an illusion. They are just simply my family. The fact that you think you see and understand the differences, makes you a racist. My family is none of your business, and the truth is that you don’t know anything, so quit pretending you know.

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      4. @ Josey

        Are you Black? Are you a Girl? Why get so offended? Those are simply elementary observations about you. If I was hanging out with my friends in Downtown (I’m one of 3 white guys in the group) and they said “the white guy on the right” I wouldn’t be offended… I’m white… I’m a guy… I’m standing to the right. Those are all observations. Now had someone said that stupid Cracker mother F%$#er over there. That may be a different story.

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  8. It’s so people of different races can have more inclusion in things.

    Take colleges for example–if the census says there’s 40% hispanic, 50% caucasion, 30% asian, and 20% african american, then they’re required to have at least that ratio of race, making it fair for everyone.

    If, however, they didn’t ask it in the first place, that would work too ‘n_n

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      1. Schools never admit based on grades/test scores alone. Even if all applicants are White, there are going to be less qualified students getting in over others because the school looks at the whole person. Schools consider race as a FACTOR because they feel it enriches the cultural environment of their school. No one gets admitted or denied on race alone. It’s not that simple. I don’t really believe in AA, but a school should be able to consider race a little bit. Especially when it used to be segregated and is virtually segregated now. Having a diverse student body should be a consideration.

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    1. That totals to 140%… but I still disagree with affirmative action. It forces a college to have a certain percentage of ethnic students, even if the pool of applicants doesn’t have that proportion – they must turn away proportionately more of one group in order to get more of the other, just to be “fair.” Really, they shouldn’t take any of it into account. It doesn’t affect their ability, so why should it affect their chances of getting in?

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      1. Are you nuts? You’re statement makes no sense at all and makes you look idiotic. It wouldn’t be filled with just “white people”, it would be filled with students who deserved to be there because of their hard work to be qualified for the place they are applying. Not just being there because their university is a couple numbers short of that particular race.

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      2. Trust me, I am in college right now and it would be great if they actually had legit tests to prove if someone was ready for college. When I am put into groups for projects, most of my group members are lazy and pretty damn stupid. I don’t think colleges should have affirmative action requirements, but the system we have now doesn’t work either, there are a lot of dumb people attending college and passing.

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  9. Mr. Wallace, I would like to say that brought tears to my eyes.

    Tears caused by uncontrollable laughter,
    you sorry sack of pig nuts.

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  10. Yes, for “they must meet certain percentages to ensure equal hiring practices.”

    you must hire X – even if they are NOT as qualified as Y is because you have to meet a quota… THAT is still racism.

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    1. aa has crippled the united states forcing race to be hired instead of people qualified.people should be admitted to schools based on ability, not race and it does not enrich their campus to have mixed cultures when if a white person is proud of their heritage they are racist and forced to be silent, while blacks and hispanics can be as open and even have months dedicated to them. wheres the caucasion month????? we are the next roam because of all the handout systems. enjoy it while it lasts. we will be broken because we have been turned into lazy, back-stabbing, freeloading, hand-out recieving people. i work my butt off to have the same thing welfare people have handed to them. lets be fair about that!and anyone who denies this is just blind to the facts and absolutely stupid. and also has no life experience,

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  11. am i the only one who doesn’t see an Arab choice? are Arabs just nonentities in this country? Fuck this census. The governmebt hasn’t even bothered to send a form to my family yet but they can sure as hell find out where we live when the IRS wants to steal our money. Fuck them.

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    1. There’s a “OTHER RACE” choice. You can write down arab, plus you don’t have to write anything if you don’t want to. Keep in mind though that if you do so it’s easier for them to make it as if you didn’t exist. Why should we consider arab culture or needs in our society if there’s not even a significant arab population in US according to the census.

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  12. This is stupid. Im sick of dumb people always playing mother theresa. Its not racist to say that a dude with black skin is probably from african decent while a dude with chinky eyes is likely to be asian. No but really people. Cut the bullshit, this is just some wannabe hey look at me the world is so evil in every part of it but check me out I say something against it ! hooray for me. Oh and Im gonna finish this with being a smartass, there is no human race. Its a species.

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  13. The census seems to be lumping multiple categories into race. Since when did “white” become a race? There are three races Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. The rest of these categories are nationalities or ethnic groups. If I was more of a sensitive person I might find it hurtful. When did calling someone white, black, or yellow become right? I realize that the world itself is becoming desensitized but how far is too far, especially when it comes to government documents?

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    1. Those categories you talk about where popular during the 70’s (and it wasn’t just 3, there were more). They’re considered obsolete now. The “oid” is not used anymore because it carries a negative connotation. You’re white if you consider yourself white, at least that’s how the census work. Short of making a DNA analisis (like project genoma) it’s the best we’ve got.

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  14. Yeah, that’s a hoot. The Census Bureau probably gets about a million of these tired quips each year. As someone already pointed out, there’s a difference between “race” and “species”. And there’s a reason they ask a person’s race. It has nothing to do with racism. This “certain person” needs to grow up and understand the difference between George Orwell and a simple census.

    Idiot.

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  15. I love how there’s 11 different asian catagories, 12 if you count the native american option, and either white or black. Then, there’s no hispanic options? Where’s the logic in that?

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    1. And it’s due to the fact that hispanic is not a race in itself. Just go to Brazil, there are black, white, mestizos, mulatos, etc, and they’re all hispanic. What IS curious is the fact that those who check OTHER RACES (meant to capture mostly mestizos and mulatos) are then added to the WHITE category. I’m not making it up, you can check the American Community Survey from the US Census Bureau.

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  16. census: a periodic count of the population

    it is not a long questionnaire asking for personal information like the government pretends it is.

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  17. Here in the UK at the 2001 census, a large proportion of the population indicated ‘Jedi’ in the religion field.
    It was so big, the Order of the Jedi Knights is now the fourth largest religion in Britain, ahead of Buddhism (a way of life I know, not religion) and Sikhism and Judaism.[1]
    The Office for National Statistics reported: “390,000 Jedis there are”.[2]

    ([1] Wiki, [2] Wiki)

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  18. They only put that on there so they will know how many coloreds are gonna a applying for welfare so they can adjust accordingly.

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  19. Race is not a scientific term at all. There is so much overlap and so little difference between the races that it is not a useful concept from a physical anthropological standpoint.

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  20. You guys who say there are no “races” are slow in the head for this one reason:

    Whether we like it or not, race is classified by skin color and country of origin. Hence, it is purely naive to claim that we live in a world filled with people who are ultimately the same. FUCK THE SAME SHIT. You and I both know that white people are different from black people (that’s right I said it). We have to acknowledge that we have these differences and treat each other how we’d like to be treated: with dignity and respect.

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    1. WTF, seriously?
      How are blacks and whites different? Right, the skin color. But really, are there any truly meaningful differences? No. There are no meaningful differences between races. We all deserve respect. Putting different people in arbitrary groups, based on skin color, is counterproductive. But maybe someone out there can tell us what they think some of the inherent differences in race are.

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      1. from the perspective of pharmaceutical companies , race is influential: in testing phases for international drugs, every race has to be represented to make a correct evaluation of a new product. I’m just sayin’

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      2. Ok you Schmo, Want to know an inferent difference between white and black other than skin color? From a medical Standpoint, sickle-cell, this is an african disease, not present in Caucasions unless there is history of African origin in their bloodline. There are different reasons for putting race in the census you idiot that is just the quickest and easiest to think of. Now, if everyone marked “human”, and there are no Black or white people in the world then the gov’t will no longer have to give grants for sickle-cell research, they’ll no longer have to give treatment-aid to the non-black “humans” who are afflicted by this disease. They’ll no longer have to worry about it at all! Thanks! great idea! that should save the Gov’t billions in Grant monies! Lets all mark “Human”!

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    2. “Whether we like it or not, race is classified by skin color and country of origin.”

      Psychobabble!!

      There are three races on Earth, Caucasian , African and Asian.

      All others are ethnic groups, an amalgamation of two or three Races. A country is not a race, A country is a geographical state with borders recognized by it’s neighbors. Hawaiians are not a Race — they are a State — and sometimes they are an ethnic group.

      Is Magnum PI an Hawaiian?

      Mexicans are not a Race they are a nationality.

      Are Americans a Race? Well, are they friend?

      Why does the Census list every other country as a possible Race except for the United States?

      How can you claim Tonga as a Race but not Ireland?

      Are Bulgarians a Race?

      Are people from Idaho a Race?

      The Census lists “White” people as a Race.

      WHITE is a skin color not a Race.

      Not all Caucasians are white. Hispanic means “Of Spain” which is Caucasian. The Census is asking latinos to state they are Caucasian, which is many cases they are, since Mexicans are a nationality just like the French, the Russians and the Poles.

      Of course they removed this 8th Grade Human Biology from the text books.

      And we know why. They intend to divide us by skin color and national origin. If you mention it YOU are the racist — not them.

      Communist Manifesto 101 folks. Divide the melting pots into it’s many parts and make the spices fight it out to the death. The winner gets the money.

      Ron Hinton
      KNIGHT WATCH ANALYTICS.
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  21. The reason they want to know your race is for federal funding. Districts with high minority populations receive more federal funds for certain programs. This is by definition institutionalized racism (treating people differently based on their race). If we really want equality amongst all people, I suggest everyone answer the question “African American”. If the government thinks everyone is black, then they can’t discriminate, can they. If someone says you aren’t really African American ask them to prove it. They won’t be able to. After all, Africa is the supposed cradle of humanity – we all came from Africa if you go back far enough.

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    1. No, that’s bullshit. Demographics are used mostly to determine is discrimination is happening based on the statistics for the area. And because more data in the public domain is a good thing. For example, projections indicate that as of this census this country will have no majority race or religion. After the forms come back they will know.

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      1. Our Constitution says all men are created equal. And, the equal protection clause means that no group of people can legally be treated differently from another by our government.

        There is absolutely no reason for the government to know everyone’s race, unless they intend to treat people differently because of it. Why else would they need to know? Unless they intend to write laws and provide programs and funds based on the racial make-up of a particular district. It is impossible to USE this information in any way that is not discriminatory. Simply categorizing people according to race is in itself discrimination. Read this definition:

        -treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

        -something that serves to differentiate.

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      2. Be real Steve, we’re not equal. Being blind is not a solution. There are poor people and rich people, and obviously for rich people it’s better to say that we’re all the same. They don’t give privileges to certain ethnic groups, if anything the goverment tries to counteract the differences and discrimination from which they suffer.

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    2. Yep Steve. That’s what they told you so that’s what you’re going to believe. Way to behave like you’re supposed to. Do you think the twin towers collapse was a job done by any other than our own effed up country too? I’m sure you do, cuz that’s what they told you. Good boy.

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      1. Not sure who exactly told me what to believe, perhaps Loose Change. You may want to know, however, that this website is being used by our government to uncover subversives such as yourself. If I were you I would move and change internet providers. And, from now on go under an assumed name.

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  22. asking self-identified race can actually be very useful from a research perspective because race is often a confounder for certain diseases. by that i mean different races often have different outcomes for disease and other medical conditions. for example, for some (unknown) reason, black women are more likely than certain other races to experience a pre-term birth (defined as a birth between 24-36 gestational weeks). this is a serious issue that effects thousands of women each year, but would be impossible to understand if we didnt consider race in our analyses. i don’t think race should be dropped from the census because THERE ARE differences between races that need to be researched more. i guess im just saying there are reasons for asking about race, its not completely bullshit

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  23. this is a dumb argument. there’s obviously a reason for them to ask the question or they wouldn’t ask it. so just answer all the questions and leave it at that.

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    1. if we always just go along with the government how will we know when something terrible is happening- maybe something like the Holocaust, all over again. Question everything, and if you don’t get answers, find them. For all you know they could be calculating how many concentration camps they need- I’m not saying i think this is true, but when people want to know the reason don’t tell them to not care about the answer. Question Everything.

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  24. For God’s sake people wake up. There’s nothing on the census that anybody can’t get by just observing your house for a day or two. We all pay taxes, so why not make those taxes work for you. If the government doesn’t know you exist, then it can’t very well provide services for your type of people (that means, your race, and family size). There are hundreds of other government and private entities that know your private life better than you do. The census doesn’t give a damn about you personally, only as a group. You want defense? You want school subsidizing?, you want your roads to be maintained? And hundreds of other services provided? Again if they don’t know you exist and where you exist and how many of you exist, then they figure you don’t exist.

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    1. So, NORM, if they find out that a bunch of “undeserving colored folks” [said in a redneck voice] are living on my street, they aren’t going to fix the potholes? Are they not going to defend my family cuz we’re all just a bunch of “spics”? Who the hell are you? Your argument makes no sense. Steve told you off well. Jack, go count up all the “gooks”. You don’t want their neighborhood to get a nice school. List all of the programs offered and tell me which one is based on color! Dumb asses!

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      1. the federal government is sposed to govern over maybe 17 areas, the state governments are sposed to govern over the rest. What gives the federal government the right to offer services in the first place??? Should not be the federal government doing all those things – so the excuse that they are sending me federal dollars for services looks more and more like the federal government circumventing the process and resorting directly to bribes. The states can run themselves. I prefer that system over federal government control over everything.

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    1. No one is arguing against telling the government how many people live at your address. The argument is that the number of people living at your address is ALL the census should ask. Asking the race of people can ONLY lead to racial discrimination, either for or against a particular race, which is unconstitutional. The census is not in our constitution so the government can make sure each area gets its fair share of Socialist goodies (they didn’t exist back then), its original purpose was to make sure each district had the correct number of representatives in the House. To do that, all you have to do is count.

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      1. Yeah, socialist goodies. Like public transportation. And libraries. That way the government will give me a free ride so I can go read a free book about Mao and Stalin! Then I’ll go use a public bathroom so I can use a free mirror to look at so I can remember what race of socialist I am and fill out the census and wait for more goodies!

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      2. Most of you libs think the government needs to know our race so they can provide race specific services to certain districts, or protect people from discrimination (by discriminating). Any specific group of people will have problems specific to their group – so using your logic, the government should also ask the following questions:
        1) Do you currently use illegal drugs?
        2) Are you a homosexual
        3) Have you ever cheated on a test
        4) Have you ever been treated for mental illness
        5) How many (if any) sexually transmitted diseases do/have you had?
        etc. etc.

        Would you libs approve of these questions as well? All of them would help the government direct other people’s money to help people in these groups.

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  25. OMG, LOL THIS IS SO CLEVER KEKEKEKE.

    Fill out the form correctly and stop being such a smartass. Yeah the census is probably not the *best* or most efficient way to collect statistical information about our population, but none the less it is used to assign representation and appropriate funds – so don’t screw around.

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  26. Regardless of color or ethnicity (or species lol), aren’t we all Americans? When will the melting pot just become its own ethnicity? Take these examples: Do you really think someone in Ireland considers someone born and raised Boston “Irish” Catholic to actually be Irish? Do you think someone living in a warzone in Africa considers someone in Harlem to be African only because they might happen to have black skin? Unless you are an immigrant in this country guess what: you are an American, and eventually we will wake up to that. More and more people in this country aren’t 100% anything. Eventually these questions will be meaningless.

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  27. Asking race isn’t so much of an issue with me, but the fact that it’s practically the only the census asked about Is. Seriously, name, address, sex, race.

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  28. Sean, it seems you have sparked quite the debate here. Enjoyable read as always…and a touch of amusement from this end as well. Good luck with all things IB & College. :]

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  29. The question should be changed to, when you cut your wrist, what color is the blood? If people actually have to do this to find out, then that’s a bonus to weed out the dummies.

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  30. You people are seriously hilariously wrong.

    There ARE genetic differences in races. Caucasoid, negroid, mongoloid, etc… If you cannot see the different traits, then you’re just blind to the truth. While these differences have no bearing on who they are as people, that doesn’t mean you can simply ignore them and pretend they don’t exist. That would simply be a lie. I’d rather be honest and correct than worry about someone’s feelings.

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    1. It’s worth noting that humans are more genetically homogeneous than chimpanzees, meaning that on average there is less genetic difference between any pair of people than there is between any pair of chimpanzees. This is true regardless of race; while there are genetic differences between races, they are by no means substantial.

      So, by that basis, racial differences are pretty trivial – science doesn’t consider race a valid concept these days. Certainly the idea of a “negroid” race is plain silly – black Africans are the most genetically diverse group of people on the planet. There is more genetic variation among black Africans than there is among the rest of the human population, which supports the “out of Africa” theory of human migration.

      Human race is entirely cosmetic – some say the result of short-term cultural breeding, more than anything else. In particular, Europeans were black until about 10,000 years ago.

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    2. lol?
      Racism under the guise of genetics is the basis for the wonderful science called Eugenics. We Americans invented Eugenics. The Nazis perfect Eugenics if you want to call it perfecting. They used that as their excuse to murder 6,000,000 genetically imperfect Jews, gypsies, and blacks.
      I prefer to believe that Eugenics is the tool of corrupt governments.
      If you don’t believe that then you are blind to the truth.
      You can’t simply ignore the haulocaust and pretend it didn’t happen.

      but governments should not be classifying and keeping records regarding race,
      governments should not be collecting genetic material under any condition,
      governments should not be doling out benefits and opportunities based on race,
      I would rather be honest and correct than worry about hurting your feelings,
      but to tell you anything else would be just a lie.

      If you don’t like it
      Then maybe you should read more before taking the Nationalist Socialist position.

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  31. I am very likely to answer Human on these as well.
    Race is an artificial construct, most often used to oppress and control people.

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  32. Sleeplessone :
    Or, let’s say a war breaks out with let’s say Japan. They can use that census data to round up all the Japanese-American’s in the area.

    Not a bad idea, actually. Now, please, don’t take that the wrong way, but if such a war were to break out [again] it would be more effective/productive to keep an eye on a particular region with a dense population (for spies and traitors) than to watch the entire country.

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  33. I wrote in “American”, my entire family was born on American soil so we are Americans. Enough with this race bullschnitt already. It is these types of classification that promotes racism.

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  34. Sleeplessone :
    Or, let’s say a war breaks out with let’s say Japan. They can use that census data to round up all the Japanese-American’s in the area.

    Yeah, I’m fucking sure your example is more plausible than his.

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    1. Kenint? Human isn’t a race?? hahaha – Why do they call it the human race?? You think we are all lining up getting ready to run for our lives and see who crosses the finish line first?

      You failed your frakking science class – didn’t you?

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  35. Someone from the Census WILL VISIT YOU for follow up questions if you’re a smart ass like this guy. Good job. You’re spending my tax dollars just to stick it to them.

    Face it – we’re all different.
    Generic treatment for everybody everywhere in the US? I don’t think so.
    I want medical attention in MY area for the diseases that I’M predisposed to.
    I want official documents translated in MY language for once.
    I want enough money in the educational system so that the district will have enough funding to keep its teachers.
    I want to go the the DMV, the Social Security office, or any other government-run office and not have to wait 4 friggen hours because they’re understaffed!

    People these days expect so much out of government institutions yet they expect the government to magically know what they want without writing a single letter to their representatives or to even fill out a single form.

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      1. First of all, Larry’s a troll.

        Second, all I’m saying is I’m for the Census because its main purpose is to represent the population and all the minorites including Caucasians (which is the case in my neighborhood).

        Third, they’re going to get your data whether you like it or not. If you do it the hard way, the visit’s costing the taxpayers about $60 per household.

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      2. Mane – So you think anybody who doesn’t agree with you is a troll??? Go take your silly freaking ideas to Canada – you get what you deserve there. If they want my data – they can ask the CIA or the FBI or for all I care, they can ask Mossad or MI6 – I don’t care who they ask – if they don’t ask – why should I care? They can take their fancy-shmancy racist census forms and kiss my hairy behind – and what the hell do you care about it costing the taxpayer another 60 freaking dollars – add that on to the 13 trillion that socialist in the WH already spent on crap – quit crying about the 60 bucks already – we know you didn’t pay any taxes this year – if you did you would be on my side

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      3. It’s the numerous, angry, lengthy, incoherent responses that qualify you as an internet troll. Your arguments do not effectively get any point across, and they are far too angry for me to honestly think that you want anyone to be on “your side.”

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    1. Jesse – that law implies it is illegal to disclose that information, but it isn’t how it works. The government is authorized to use the information you provide in any fashion that it sees fit. It’s the government for gods sake – who will tell them they can’t. The law simply says they will not disclose the information – to YOU!

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  36. Funny – did no one look to see what the census’ stand on this is? http://2010.census.gov/partners/pdf/ConstituentFAQ.pdf Look at #18. “In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include both racial and national origin or socio-cultural groups. You may choose more than one race category.” And #19. “The race categories are those that are approved for data collection purposes by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.” Or rail on ignorantly. This is the internet after all and that’s what’s expected. Put what you want down and enjoy the rare human contact you’ll get from the shlub temp census worker that comes to visit. Feel good you’ve done your part for the economy by validating the need for the hundreds of thousands of census takers hired.

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  37. u people are all crazy…cant wait for the next world…in the meantime, Legalize it so i can deal with this crazy world full of morons

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  38. It’s not so much it’s true, funny or whatev but I choose not to fiddle with a cute answer because I DID NOT WANT A CENSUS WORKER TO COME OVER and refuse to leave until I did the 300-question version …

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  39. When you say F*CK the government, you say F*CK the People. The people elect positions in office. You don’t like ’em? Vote ’em out. Or Vote your conscience the next time around.

    If you get enough people to successfully ditch the census, you can lose your district and presumably voting power.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/hmm-why-has-bachmann-stopped-bashing-the-census.php

    .. and save the country $85M by not having them have to come to your door
    http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/How-much-did-that-census-reminder-letter-cost/MjPnXmm95kOJlV2fwcVA9Q.cspx

    Just like voting, the census is ALSO our civic duty..

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    1. Kevin,
      Voting power is lost when they allow foreigners to vote in our elections
      Voting power is lost when they allow militant groups to patrol voting stations
      Voting power is lost when they allow political groups to control elections

      Did the people do that? no they didn’t – the government did.
      If the government = the people – then how can this be?

      Frankly,
      the person who said F*CK the government and F*CK the politicians
      did not say F*CK the people
      the F*CKING people are trying to get rid of the F*CKING corrupt government and corrupt politicians who run it.

      If you equate the people to the government, you make a mistake
      To equate the people to the government, you have to equate that the people are in charge of things, which they are not and have not been for several generations.
      The people are trying to take it back
      and so far they have been unsuccessful
      But in the end
      They will take it back
      and people out there that think crazy crap about how the government should be more socialist or more communist will be relegated back to the nothingness that they deserve.

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  40. “I went to get a loan and they asked my race,
    I wrote down human inside the space,
    It’s a disgrace how they try to debase,
    It ain’t the banks damn business how my lineage trace.”
    Right Right Now Now – Beastie Boys

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    1. big businesses are gonna take over now. since the bill passed that fortune five companies don’t have a cap on the amount of money they donate to the promotion of people running in elections…

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  41. you guys are probably some of the dumbest and least informed retards i’ve ever seen. humans DO divide into races EASILY and can be done so with a handful of genes. fucking retards need to read a genetics book.

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    1. You christalmighty numbskull – a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, evidently. The greatest genetic variance to be found between any distinguishable ethno-types are between Black sub-Saharan Africans and Black Australian aborigines. They would both slot in as ‘black’ in the census form.

      Eastern Europeans were considered an ‘easily divided’ racial category until well into the 20th century. Why don’t you actually read a ‘genetics book’ instead of pretending like you have.

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    1. Because in recent times – the Blacks have always been more vocal about it.

      In the past – the Celtic races were treated badly because they were not of a Germanic genetic stock – check out the wars in England between them and Ireland, between them and Wales, and between them and Scotland. Read about how it really pissed off people when a Scotsman became King of England. I remember stories about how the potato famine affected the Irish – and the cause of it. It seems like everybody has had an issue with Gypsies at some time or another.
      Race is imaginary
      All supposed white races seem to originate in India, not the Caucasus Mountains in Eastern Europe. All supposed black races seem to originate in India and South Africa. All supposed asian races seem to originate somewhere in Southeast China. They all had to have some connection – they all came from the same place – there is less variation types among human beings than any other so-called group or race.

      Since they all have to be connected for this lack of variety, then it stands to reason that we are all the same –

      and that the myth about race is just a tool to control the ignorant

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  42. they just wanna kno the mixture of races here in America. US is considered the melting pot… it’s not being racist or trying to use this information in some negative way. stupid stupid ppl

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    1. Brie? If they wanted to use it in a bad way, then why would they tell you that? They will just say we want the information so we know who to give the money to – then they will do as they please with the information after they obtain it.

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  43. “I would ask all of those lynched black folks, but, you see, they’re dead.”

    Roughly twice as many blacks kill each other every year in America than were lynched in total throughout American history. I know this fact disrupts your neat little morality play about “racism” in America, but it remains a fact.

    “Racism” is the true social construct here. Racial differences can be measured genetically. Forensic technicians can determine whether a skull is Caucasian, African, or Asian with a simple DNA test. “Racism” is merely an idea that resists quantification, although many of you have been apparently been exposed to sufficient amounts of propaganda to believe “racism” is real rather than race.

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  44. Hm. As others have said, I agree with the impulse to quietly object to the question… but in practical terms there _are_ legitimate uses for this information as well as illegitimate ones, and I think that for purposes of the census the former outweigh the latter.

    Your milage will vary.

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    1. If they wanted to use the information in a bad way, then why would they tell you that? They will just say we want the information so we know who to give the money to – then they will do as they please with the information after they obtain it.

      This outweighs your argument in every way
      The fact that there can be an illegitimate reason
      outweighs every good reason for doing it

      To believe otherwise is to sell your soul one piece at a time –
      since the legitimate is bigger than the illegitimate
      you give them what they need in little steps

      Best to not allow them anything illegitimate – whatsoever – in any or all cases

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  45. Whoever told the census to split Asians up into such nitpicky categories should be fired. Honestly, that’s not race any more, it’s ethnicity. If the people who are running the census don’t know what they’re talking about, how can we be sure that what this whole census is actually going towards the purpose that they told us it was for?

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  46. Tyrell :
    Seriously what happened to limited government?

    It went out of fashion when it failed to regulate investment banks, leading to an economic meltdown.

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  47. i must say i myself dont believe in in race. therefor dont believe in racism but prejudice. race is a competition. we have been brainwashed/conditioned to think that race exist.for this causes segregation.now nationality and ethnicity do exist.
    whomever filed in human under race is correct,regardless of how anyone feels about it. deprogram your mind controlled minds. and as far as white, black these too are colors not ethnicity’s. it sounds foolish and is foolish. and how long are they gonna continue with this census. when will it end

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    1. I think they are going to want to fight us to classify us. In order to do that, they are going to have to brand us. If we won’t conform to their racist crap, then they catalog us as trolls, conspiracy nuts, right-wingers, terrorists. It doesn’t end until we make it end.
      I saw a very short clip the other day where Morgan Freeman says racism will end when we stop identifying it. He said, when we think of him as just simply Morgan Freeman, instead of a black man, the racism stops. I didn’t get the entire context of the clip and I don’t know how edited it was, but it struck a chord with me. We have the education and the smarts to make that work, now all we have to do is to put it all into practice and stop pretending we can identify with all of its insidious forms.
      I am not all those races or ethnicities or nationalities – I’m just me.

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  48. you are so right larry.im so sick of the what are you conversation. for me thats no conversation. like you said im just me.i came into this world by myself. not with a group of people. i represent me myself and i . and for the person who said human is a species. yes it is.but i call it sarcasm to fill in human where it says race.because the govt tries to create something that doesnt exist. and morgan freeman has a hell of a point.

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  49. by the way i read this census is gonna keep up until 2011. has a census last for the long b4. i guess im gonna have to be dodging these squirrels for less than a yr.

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    1. I think all those Census people are doing is a scam. If they see something they don’t like, they note it on their little pieces of paper and it becomes the basis for a visit from the law enforcement people. They are pecking away at our privacy, because they are nothing but peckers. I don’t see why they can’t just leave it alone and leave us alone if we want to be alone. It doesn’t take a damn community to do anything, it only takes a few friendly neighbors. I will keep my neighbors and continue to tell the peckers in Washington to butt out, but I expect them to get the wrong idea. It is such a waste that they don’t get it.

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  50. i am extremely tired of the race crap. i also know that in america the majority of the racists are black, holding a grudge for ancestors they did not know, against ancestors we did not know. this race crap has gone too far for too long. they ABSOLUTELY get a better chance at a good (FREE )education than a white man of EQUAL ECONOMIC BACKGROUND, because of the LONG PAST RACIST bullshit. i want EQUAL all the way across the board. WHITE DOES NOT EQUAL RICH.
    people need to start teaching they’re kids to want/try/go for a good ed. NOT EXPECT IT TO BE GIVEN to them. it may sound racist but they have been given enough. It’s time for them to stop whining that they should be treated as equal, and prove they deserve to be equal.
    The problem is the (elder/family)perpetuated idea that they deserve what isn’t earned.

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  51. This argument is stupid why?

    Humans, known taxonomically as Homo sapiens. Which means Human = species. not race. Doesn’t matter what color you are, a human is a human, how ever your color will determine what race you are. The question isn’t asking what species are you.

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